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File:Bakov.jpg edit

The author is not Anton Bakov (who is depicted), but Mikhail Filippov (see EXIF). No evidence that photographer's permission has been received and reviewed by VRT agents (see talk page). Komarof (talk) 06:09, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • EXIF is not an evidence. But you are correct that Anton Bakov is not the author and this should be corrected. Anton Bakov is the holder of rights, and not author. There was no possibility to see EXIF while uploading. If you are trying to say that I stole the photo from the Internet, this is wrong. The photo's permissions is normal, but there are surely errors in attribution, thanks for pointing that out. We will try to clarify it. in any way, OTRS agents should see the details. OTRS permission is valid. --ssr (talk) 06:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Rubin16: What does say the permission ticket? Yann (talk) 08:22, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •   Comment As a VRT agent that added the permission, I am also curious to see the ticket. Unfortunatelly I no longer have access to VRT. --Jarekt (talk) 15:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The ticket relates to {{Photos by Anton Bakov}} and @Ssr appears to have been authorised to subsequently use the given permissions for future additions in Category:Photos by Anton Bakov. The images that were then in this category and those that were populated into it by Ssr are finely under Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International according to ticket. This is an old ticket nonetheless, from 2014. ─ The Aafī (talk) 16:35, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I do not see any evidence on how Anton Bakov became the copyrights holder as claimed. Perhaps things were not this much complicated over a decade ago as they are now. ─ The Aafī (talk) 16:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • The Aafī, this is an example of a fairly common situation when PR teams of certain individuals or users involved in undisclosed paid editing, after uploading couple of images followed by creation of a template with VRT permission, subsequently add this template without any supervision to a lot of later uploaded images. There is practically no control over the tag Ticket permission added by non-VRT member (see the first edit in the file history); no one on COM:VRTN is in a hurry to check the legality of such uploads, even after requests for verification (at least my efforts went to no avail). This is why such uploaders often behave defiantly when caught in the act - they know full well that they are violating the Commons' rules and they try to silence those who draw the attention of the community to their deliberate violations. Perhaps VRT agents should discuss this in their private chat. --Komarof (talk) 12:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ssr: Who is "We"?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 11:15, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •   Delete Per Komarof's No evidence that photographer's permission has been received and reviewed by VRT agents. --Jarekt (talk) 16:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •   Delete per Komarof and Jarekt. Files in the category should have been taken by Bakov. The holder of copyright is generally the photographer, not the subject. We need permission for this file from Mikhail Filippov.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 11:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pinging @Ahonc again.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 12:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Permission is given by Anton Bakov, it says: I hereby affirm that I, Anton Bakov, am the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the photos that were placed into https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Photos_by_Anton_Bakov by Wikimedia Commons user Ssr.--Anatoliy 🇺🇦 (talk) 12:47, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ahonc: Thanks. So how did the subject become "sole owner of the exclusive copyright"? Do you have an opinion on this DR?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 12:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This image is not in category Photos by Anton Bakov and there is no evidence that he is copyright holder, so   Delete.--Anatoliy 🇺🇦 (talk) 13:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Anton Bakov could be the copyright holder, but we need more than a vague statement. We need to know how he acquired the copyright of these images. Yann (talk) 12:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is pretty much my observation. Anton Bakov could be the copyright holder, but we need more than a vague statement. I do not find such a supportive statement in entire ticket. @Komarof, I take your note that VRT agents need to show more vigilance. I lean towards   Delete. ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:12, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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