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User:Kallerna

The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

This is to ask for review recent (sysop) actions by Kallerna.

a) I had blocked Karelj for a duration of 3 days for uncivil comments. Latest was this one, which comes as very disrespectful towards the photographer, however Karelj is well known for other disrespectful FPC "reviews" such as this one, for which I already had warned him, which he opted to ignore completely.

b) Several users agreed on obvious incivility of such comments, such as: Aristeas, SHB2000, XRay, Radomianin.

c) Nonetheless, Kallerna came "out of nothing" and unblocked the user -- completely out of process, without seeking any discussion, neither with me nor on Admins' noticeboard, also there wasn't even an unblock request on Karelj's talk page.

d) The unblock comment was "Groundless block [...] Silencing user who do not agree with you?", which I find libelous obviously false and uncivil, as neither did I ever discuss with Karelj in any sort of disagreement, nor did I vote or otherwise comment in the same FPC nomination whatsoever.

e) Similarly poor was their comment on my talk page ("Please do not block users who do not share the same views as you", etc.).

f) Further discussion on my talk page with Kallerna on this matter turned as useless.

g) Therefore, Kallerna's behaviour should be reviewed in terms of: 1) incivility -- due to false claim of myself blocking a user because of contentual disagreement; and 2) obvious violation of Commons:Blocking policy, in particular: "To avoid wheel warring, another administrator should lift a block only if there is consensus to do so, even if there is no clear consensus in favor of the original block".

The sysop Kallerna I'm going to notify on this thread.

Thanks --A.Savin 22:19, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

+1 to what A.Savin said. I also find Karelj's refusal to communicate a major red flag – not just for the above but also for "But the image here looks, like from child, who receivd his first photoaparate and learns, how to operate with it". Kallerna should have discussed this beforehand, instead of unilaterally unblocking and making spurious accusations. --SHB2000 (talk) 06:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I am not going to get involved here, as I am already part of the discussions about incivility on that nomination page. I just wanted to make people aware that Kallerna is one of only 3 people opposing this FPC nomination (which has more than 20 support votes), so when judging the possibility of a conflict on interest one should consider this fact. --Kritzolina (talk) 08:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

This – thanks for mentioning it, as that too hasn't been mentioned before. --SHB2000 (talk) 09:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I agree that 1. Karelj's comments are quite rude, if not disrespectful, 2. Kallerna's unblock is out of process. If you don't agree with a block, please discuss it instead wheel warring. Yann (talk) 08:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Yann, thanks for your comments. I have explained my actions in the user talk pages of A.Savin and Karelj. There is also a lot of conversation about the possible rudeness of Karelj in the nom page. I reverted the block due to it being inadequat, as pointed by fellow admistrator Christian Ferrer. —kallerna (talk) 09:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Kallerna: Would you also like to explain your possible conflict of interest as mentioned by Kritzolina above? --SHB2000 (talk) 10:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Kallerna: I wouldn't have blocked Karelj at this point, but your hastily unblocking is nevertheless an issue. It sends the wrong message. Yann (talk) 12:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree with you, I should have contacted another administrator here and let someone else revert the block. However, the user had been wrongfully blocked for two days at that point, so I did not want to wait any longer. —kallerna (talk) 14:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

A showcase example how not to address a complaint about one's own behaviour. --A.Savin 14:46, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Kallerna, if you snarkily try to dodge attempting my question (or A.Savin's) by Dec 2, I will start a nomination to desysop you. Sysops need to be held accountable to their actions; not answering questions raised towards you about your potential misuse of tools is a red flag and is unsysop-like behaviour. --SHB2000 (talk) 08:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

 Comment I would support that. Kallerna is good photographer, but definitely not good for the sysop team. As a (possibly offtopic) side-note, look at their talk page (the QI promotions). They have uploaded masses of images of contemporary buildings in South Korea where there is no FoP. Many have been deleted already. A sysop should have at least a very basic knowledge what to upload on Commons and what not. Kallerna seems not to have this knowledge. And this arrogancy is the final straw. Thanks --A.Savin 13:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Kallerna: courtesy ping – 2 days left to answer my/A.Savin's question before I will start a desysop nom. --SHB2000 (talk) 21:19, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

1 day left, Kallerna. --SHB2000 (talk) 05:14, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I've been travelling the last week all over Europe (at the moment at airport) and have not seen these comments. I'm sorry, but I do not know why you have this motivation to de-admin me. All I did was unblocking wrongfully blocked user. You are not a admin, and you are not involved in the matter - I did not have any reason to communicate with you. I'm here to contribute to the project, not to discuss with trolls. —kallerna (talk) 08:49, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kallerna Are you calling SHB2000 a troll here? Kritzolina (talk) 08:52, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Wow, that's some serious baseless accusations right there, Kallerna. "I do not know why you have this motivation to de-admin me" – I want Commons to be a project with sysops that has sysops who know how to use their tools properly. --SHB2000 (talk) 08:55, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Currently both sides seems to be rather over provocative. You all should cool down and try not to the escalate situation. -- Zache (talk) 10:00, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

It would be useful to know exactly how I'm provocative, however at least I didn't insult a long-term contributor and Wikivoyage admin a troll. --A.Savin 14:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

In this case you were from start threatening with consequenses [1], [2]. From that things did go in couple days from mishandled blocking/unblocking to deadmin vote. However, being admin not about competition, but co-operation and i would say that more fruitful course of action would have been just to explain why you gave the block and ask why it was lifted without any threatening. So that there would be understanding between admins why they did what they did. The discussion could have taken so much time that original three days block would have been irrelevant, but it doesn't afaik really matter. If initially blocked user continues bad behaviour there would have been new blocks because that, if not then problem was solved anyway. --Zache (talk) 19:05, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

"Silencing user who do not agree with you" is clearly disrespectful, uncivil comment, especially given the fact that it's also false. Kallerna, you still didn't response how come that I'm "silencing users". This block log comment should be hidden at the very least. --A.Savin 13:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Could a third admin please hide this comment? Thanks --A.Savin 14:46, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done I hid the edit summary. Abzeronow (talk) 17:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. --A.Savin 17:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@A.Savin, Kritzolina, Yann, and Abzeronow: Since it's December 2 and Kallerna did not respond, I started a desysop nomination which can be found at Commons:Administrators/Requests/Kallerna (de-adminship). Apologies in advance for any formatting errors (I'm new to this process). Pinging everyone involved in this discussion. --SHB2000 (talk) 00:04, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

I understand that one may see the edit summary as insensitive, but might it be worth keeping it public for the duration of the de-adminship discussion be worthwhile so that the log can be seen by participants? @A.Savin and Abzeronow: Would either of you have an objection to this sort of thing? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 03:23, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, temporarily unhiding is no problem. --A.Savin 03:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd have no problem with temporarily unhiding if it is necessary. Abzeronow (talk) 16:34, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Per request/consent. GMG^talk 01:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

I have closed the de-admin request as inadmissible per policy. Commons:Administrators/De-adminship states: "Please note this process should only be used for serious offenses in which there seems to be some consensus for removal;". From the above discussion I see nothing that can be called consensus. Personal comment: There should no room for uncivilty, there should be more blocks for uncivilty, and such blocks shall not be removed. Supporting a hostile environment should not be seen as acceptable conduct of anybody, especially not of an admin. --Krd 14:53, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Wow, Commons really lets sysops get away with such misuse of tools – I thought it was pretty clear from this discussion that Kallerna's behaviour was inappropriate. Oh well... --SHB2000 (talk) 20:45, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, we can of course accuse Kallerna of lifting the block and ignoring questions on purpose, but we can hardly accuse anyone here on Commons of not having commented in this thread. --A.Savin 04:49, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll admit I severely overreacted when I wrote that comment above. --SHB2000 (talk) 05:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

I think A. Savin hit the nail right on the head in the discussion above: «Kallerna is good photographer, but definitely not good for the sysop team.». Well, sure. I mean, Kallerna might also be an excellent driver, a keen model railroader, or a loving spouse — but it doesn’t matter. Being a good photographer is only relevant for Commons in as much as they publish their good photography with a suitable license. It doesn’t follow necessarily that a good photographer would also be a good curator of photographs and other media, let alone a good sysop thereof. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 12:55, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

For the record, I think A. Savin's block was harsh but within bounds of policy as Karelj was being disruptive by their behavior of making disrespectful comments. Kallerna's unblock was totally against policy, sends the wrong message as Yann said above, and I'm also concerned that they show no contrition for the unblock or the lack of communication beforehand. They also have not addressed that their COI in the matter. I also concur with Krd that we cannot support a hostile environment. Abzeronow (talk) 16:17, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• @A.Savin: I would only suggest that the original post needs reworded per COM:NLT. There are many ways we can express our view without using legal terms like libel. GMG^talk 21:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
  • • Corrected. --A.Savin 02:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Having had a bit more time to look into the matter... No, one admin should not reverse another's actions without discussion unless it is egregious misuse of the tools that leaves room for little interpretation, something of the type that you start looking for a Steward for an emergency desysoping. I would expect an acknowledgement of this standard as a bare minimum from Kallerna. Having said that, it's a little on-the-nose to be arguing over incivility and the response from A.Savin is "bla bla", which very much comes off in text as being frustrated and not super keen on discussing the issue on equanimous terms. GMG^talk 22:12, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

In broader terms: undoing a block is almost never (maybe literally never?) an emergency. Unless I'm missing something, in this case the block (whether justified or not) had one more day to run! Commons can do without any individual contributor, myself included, for a day. - Jmabel ! talk 22:06, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kallerna: Since you said you were travelling (see above), I waited before writing this. Hopefully you can answer now.

Do you maintain you position, i.e. that your unblocking of Karelj was justified? Also do you apologize for calling SHB2000 a troll? Thanks, Yann (talk) 13:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

+1 GMG^talk 13:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

+2 --A.Savin 14:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

+3. --SHB2000 (talk) 07:46, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

• I've been informed privately that Kallerna will be indisposed until at least the end of the holidays. I would suggest that we have a touch of the spirit of the season and recognize that this can be resolved, but that waiting a touch doesn't necessarily constitute a crisis. GMG^talk 20:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
  • @GreenMeansGo: that's fine with me if Kallerna is genuinely taking a break; there is nothing emergent here if they are not actively using their admin privileges. When they are back, though, this needs to be on the radar. - Jmabel ! talk 20:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
  • I agree with Jmabel here, there's no rush to this. Hopefully, they will answer questions after they come back from their break. Abzeronow (talk) 20:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

    I agree – a lot of people will be on break in the next 3 weeks, myself included. As long as they answer our questions and apologise to A.Savin, that's good with me. --SHB2000 (talk) 07:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

    • Agree with Krd that these tactics more look like "ducking away" rather than like real lack of possibility to respond. Nowadays, even when being on travel (as for most regions of the world esp. Europe), you don't have to stay offline all the time. --A.Savin 15:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

      • @A.Savin: it's not a matter of being unable to access the net, it's a matter of someone choosing to take a break, which is an entirely reasonable thing for someone to do. - Jmabel ! talk 19:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

      Yeah, very reasonable, especially if there are pending complaints about you and you don't have any arguments left in your defence, except "I don't discuss with trolls". --A.Savin 02:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

      I agree. I'm only a little sympathetic because often I don't have internet access while travelling and plan these months beforehand, but I want a definitive date from Kallerna. --SHB2000 (talk) 01:14, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

      But Kallerna, could you give us a rough date of when you will be back? --SHB2000 (talk) 01:11, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

      • @SHB2000: Given that Kallerna literally hasn't edited any WMF project since 3 December, it is very unlikely that they will even see your question until they are back. Certainly they are doing no harm while absent. - Jmabel ! talk 05:01, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

As this seems to take indeed longer, I'm adding a 30 day archive blocker in code here -> (). Best regards --Schlurcher (talk) 19:53, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

On enwiki it's sometimes labeled "ANI flu". DMacks (talk) 03:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I laughed my ass off when I read that article (and found w:Wikipedia:Oops Defence). SHB2000 (talk) 01:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Counterpart

Hi everyone, it seems that my answer is needed here. First of all, I want to apologize everyone involved this waste of time - this is not the way we should spend time on Commons. I also apologize SHB2000 for my choice of words, I should have not called you a troll. I however still wonder your motives to use so much energy on this matter: I suggest focusing on more positive and constructive matters.

So to the case here. Karelj made a controversial comment, and he was blocked by A.Savin. Not everybody thought the comment was evil [3]. I unblocked Karelj after two days of block, and did it without discussing about the matter or asking someone else to do the unblocking. This was obviously a mistake. However, some users agreed on lifting the block and Karelj did only beneficial contributions to Commons while unblocked.

Then I guess we are in the actual start of the problems discussed here. I told A.Savin that I lifted the block, and got quite rude replies (and also removal of comments). I did not want to waste everyones time, and I was passive. This was another mistake.

I see it rather odd that most participants here see controversial block with rude comments less harmful to the project than unblocking active editor. And I also want to emphasize that I do not agree with Karelj on most matters - I only reverted the block because I thought it was inadequate. And like said I should have not done it without discussing about it first. —kallerna (talk) 09:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

No satisfactory statement for me. The fact that this "waste of time" (which is actually true) had to be gone through we owe only you, Kallerna.

And I also want to emphasize that I do not agree with Karelj on most matters... Let me reveal a secret -- I *do* agree with Karelj on most matters (at least on FPC), I just don't find it okay at all the way he writes it down, including shallow and often disrespectful comments, poor English, etc. So, here we go again: how did the block have anything to do with disagreement, as you noted in the unblock comment? Kallerna, may I finally have an answer please? --A.Savin 14:38, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

I see, that was also incorrect assumption by me, I'm sorry. The comment was unnecessary. —kallerna (talk) 15:40, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Hm, I am a bit confused by what you think is rude and what is acceptable on Commons, Kallerna. On a scale of 1 to 10 - how rude was A.Savin's reply to you after lifting the block? And how would you place Karelj's comment that led to the block on that scale? Kritzolina (talk) 20:22, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Both are low on your scale, and either of those comments is worth of blocking the user. It is also noteworthy that the photographer herself was not offended, but the professionally offended around. The reason why I mention the coarseness of A.Savin is purely due to the fact he blocked another user due rude comments. —kallerna (talk) 04:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kallerna: I cannot even guess what "the professionally offended around" means. - Jmabel ! talk 06:27, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, I undestand it in this context like this: Other people in the community, those who are more sensitive or vigilant about offensive content, took issue with the comments. -- Zache (talk) 06:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

And where do you see a comment like "professionally offended" on this scale? I actually would love to hear numbers ... Kritzolina (talk) 12:59, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I also don't see any satisfactory statement. You explicitly pointed out that you were not personally involved, but you are also not an admin who is generally active in blocking or unblocking users. What was your business in removing this block, overriding the rationale of an admin who is generally active in blocking or unblocking users? --Krd 09:42, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Blocking an active user should not be made without discussion. Default position should be unblock, not block? Generally I find it again odd that blocking an active user without discussion is ok, but unblocking is not. You are correct that I am not a active admin, but I have done my share of blocking vandals in other projects. —kallerna (talk) 14:46, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Agree with Krd. --A.Savin 15:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

+1 to A.Savin. At least thank you for the apology, kallerna. --SHB2000 (talk) 00:37, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

If you were wondering why I'm spending so much time on this issue – well, that's because I want Commons to be a place where admins actually use their tools properly; not a place where admins get a snarky layer of protection for wheel-warring. --SHB2000 (talk) 00:39, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

It appears there is no more feedback, so it's time to conclude? --Krd 15:41, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it seems like this thread isn't going anywhere. Killarnee (talk) 17:49, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

@Krd and Killarnee: It looks to me like immediately below there is a pretty strong consensus that we should have a discussion on possible deadminship for User:Kallerna. - Jmabel ! talk 20:20, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't disagree. Krd 20:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

 Comment Yes, anyway 14 support + 3 oppose votes would be a successful result if this were an RfA, so despite weak participation we can assume consensus. Pinging SHB2000 and Jeff G. As said, I would support desysop although this is kind of a borderline case to me -- which is the reason that this time I wouldn't like to start such a desysop procedure myself -- however only Kallerna and no one else we owe the fact that this actually pretty minor issue had to come as far; so yes, after that half-hearted apologies I still stand by my opinion that Kallerna is a miscast as a Commons admin. Actually, it would be WAY better if Kallerna would spare us the timewaste and resign voluntarily. Thanks --A.Savin 22:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. --SHB2000 (talk) 23:02, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Agreed.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 00:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

So, are we good to make the second de-adminship discussion? --SHB2000 (talk) 11:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

As stated above, I'd support. --A.Savin 13:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@A.Savin: Reading between the lines of special:diff/838734061, a Admin should close the following section so someone may start the second de-adminship discussion. I am hesitant to even close the following section because I opened it.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 14:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I think the desysop procedure should be started first, and then subsequently this ANU thread be closed; similarly as in the 1989 case. --A.Savin 15:46, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@A.Savin: So what is stopping you from starting the second de-adminship discussion?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 16:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm hesitant to make the second as I flopped the first. --SHB2000 (talk) 22:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Deadminship for User:Kallerna

•  Support. This subsection should clearly show Bureaucrats whether or not there is a consensus because Commons:Administrators/Requests/Kallerna (de-adminship) was deemed "inadmissible".   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 16:11, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support Had Kallerna written in this statement sth. like "I've been travelling the last week all over Europe, no time to read this discusion, but meanwhile I see that it was my mistake, I shouldn't have unblocked Karelj without discussion, and it is also not true what I said that A.Savin wanted to be silencing a user who disagreed with him, I'm sorry for that", then we could have closed the whole thread straightaway and move on, but seeing what they actually wrote... No way. --A.Savin 16:50, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support Defending uncivil behaviour by being uncivil and overriding normal procedures on the way is not what I expect from an admin. --Kritzolina (talk) 17:03, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support as the nominator of the now-invalid thread; what Kritzolina and A.Savin mentioned. Thanks for starting this subsection, Jeff G.! --SHB2000 (talk) 20:42, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support I'm not as extreme as A.Savin, but Karelj shouldn't have been unblocked without discussion, and Karelj hasn't even seemed to hear that the edit comment was as much of a problem as the unblock.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support not to discuss with trolls ... ouch Killarnee (talk) 21:51, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Comment Neutral on de-adminship, but in favor of starting a formal process to discuss it. It doesn't worry me as much that Kallerna did the wrong thing in the first place as that the way they've handled this (including apparently not understanding that non-admins are allowed to participate in this page, and calling another user a "troll" for doing so). If Kallerna believes this was fine on their part, then that's a problem. If they understand at this point that they blew this -- in more than one respect -- then maybe they are liable to grow into the job. - Jmabel ! talk 22:02, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Oppose GMG^talk 17:27, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Oppose I do not believe this isolated incident rises to the level of a desysop. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  At least an acknowledgement from Kallerna would be good, but no, they've yet to acknowledge why their actions were problematic. Had they done so, I don't think we'd be having this discussion. --SHB2000 (talk) 09:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

•  Oppose per above. 1989 (talk) 18:04, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Comment terrible unblock on the basis of both procedure and what I'd call a degree of involvement (karel and kallerna having more or less the same style of participation at fpc, and this being about fpc participation), but to the extent this is about that one unblock I'd say this should be closed with an unequivocal warning. I'd prefer to see a pattern or at least another example of bad judgment with tool use to support here. Stopping short of opposing though, as I think it's reasonable to say "we should have a deadminship conversation" which is all this section is deciding. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  20:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  Right, "we should have a deadminship conversation".   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 10:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

•  Comment What Jmabel said. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 10:07, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support per OP and Jmabel. --Daniele Fisichella 12:53, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support per above. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 21:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support Jalapeño (talk) 08:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support Schlurcher (talk) 08:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC) . The following quote shows are huge misunderstanding of Commons policies: You are not a admin, and you are not involved in the matter - I did not have any reason to communicate with you. (the part before the comma should be irrelevant)
•  Support Their only block log entry is the one under discussion here, which has a taste on it's own. The attitude shown above, plus ducking away, holiday season or not. --Krd 08:52, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support Per Schlurcher. Guido den Broeder (talk) 19:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Neutral I agree with Jmabel above. I'm not there yet as far as thinking Kallerna should be de-sysopped, but the de-adminship conversation should be allowed to move forward. Abzeronow (talk) 16:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support I have been reading this entire conversation for the last one hour and I could not find a "fair acknowledgement" without ifs and buts. KoH makes a sensible statement that this is kind of a rare incident but as SHB2000 has noted a clear acknowledgment from Kallerna is missing, plus per Krd. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 13:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support I didn't originally think it justified action outside of a slap on the wrist, if even. But if Killarnee supports it themselves then I don't really see any reason not to take the tools away. Plus as others have pointed out it's not like they have acknowledged the issue. It's weird how unwilling admins are to admit they made a mistake sometimes. Totally a self-own. So whatever. Just take the tools away and be done with it. --Adamant1 (talk) 11:42, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

  Me? Killarnee (talk) 03:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Killarnee: It appears @Adamant1's mistake. Kallerna and Killarnee are too closely sounding names. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 05:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, I meant Kallerna. My bad. I struck that part of my comment. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

•  Support despite Kallerna's comment above. Yann (talk) 22:25, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
•  Support I can understand that A.Savin's block for Karelj's comment in the FPC nomination appeared harsh. Probably few admins would have blocked here. Still, the comment was disrespectful and I understand the desire to enforce a more civil communication within the FPC nominations. Few admins ever went ahead to enforce civility in FPC nominations. As Karelj had been warned before, this did not come entirely unexpected. It should be noted that A.Savin was not involved in the discussion of this FPC nomination but kallerna was with a comment that was at least as disrespectful as that of Karelj. The subsequent unblock came without discussion despite being involved in the discussion of the FPC nomination. Remarkably, this is the very only sysadmin action by Kallerna blocking or unblocking any user since becoming an admin in 2009. In the unblock comment Kallerna asks Silencing user who do not agree with you? while giving much reason to question their own motives behind the unblock. All this could be a singular event during a long tenure as admin. Then, however, we need a clear path forward which allows us to hope that this remains singular. Comments like I'm here to contribute to the project, not to discuss with trolls are not helpful in this regard. Eventually, Kallerna apologizes for it but not without recommending to focus on more positive and constructive matters while finding it rather odd that most participants here see controversial block with rude comments less harmful to the project than unblocking active editor. I do not find this convincing as it appears half-hearted and comes without any statements regarding a future approach to resolve such conflicts. I think a regular process where we see whether Kallerna has still the trust of our community as admin is warranted. --AFBorchert (talk) 23:21, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

  I agree that the block was unnecessary, and that A. Savin was uncivil, but neither is the issue here. Cheers, Guido den Broeder (talk) 15:20, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

•  Support An admin getting de-admin for admin abuse?...if only there were people with balls on that other project.....and they call us the inferior project..--Stemoc 23:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

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Prototyperspective and "AI Art Application and Improvements Handbook" on Wikibooks

I am noticing a pattern in DRs and I'm not sure if it warrants admin action or not. If it does, it shouldn't be by me, as I am active in many of these and related DRs.

The pattern is: an AI-created image is nominated for deletion as being out of scope, then Prototyperspective (talk · contribs) adds it to "AI Art Application and Improvements Handbook" on Wikibooks, and then someone notes in the DR that the file is COM:INUSE.

Bluntly, the only thing any of the images on that Wikibooks page have in common is that they came up in DRs, and I am unconvinced that the page is anything other than an attempt to game COM:INUSE.

Looking to get others' opinions on this. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 23:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@The Squirrel Conspiracy: That looks fishy to me.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 00:56, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: are you saying The Squirrel Conspiracy's characterization of this looks fishy, or Prototyperspective's conduct? - Jmabel ! talk 00:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: The described conduct.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 01:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

If that is an accurate description, then that is certainly not OK. I'd like to see that backed up by diffs, though, so that we don't each have to go searching for evidence ourselves. - Jmabel ! talk 00:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Convenience link: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/AI_Art_Application_and_Improvements_Handbook - Jmabel ! talk 01:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• I can explain it to you and I've been open about it:
• that handbook is not a priority to me but when I see DRs I a) sometimes see the relevant AI images and think about how they could be useful in the context of the DR and b) may find spending some time to expand the wikibook worth my time.
• Nothing at INUSE suggest that would be "gaming it" and if it is I didn't know but I'd then suggest this is made clear there, that page also says "realistically useful for an educational purpose" where the wikibook makes the application and realistic educational usefulness clear.
• If you don't consider the uses in that book "INUSE" then you can always just ignore them which is already done. While I don't think deleting AI images even when clear usefulness cases have been clarified and remain unrefuted is within bounds of current WMC policy even if they were not used anywhere, if you agree that it would be then I guess it is.
• Moreover, the book is new and so new images are added as I come across them now, I haven't substantially changed it again for quite a while. And for the Roman Kubanskiy images, those were some of the very few available for illustrating a section and I added all the good-quality images for that application to its section, not just these.

Prototyperspective (talk) 11:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: : Sorry, here are the diffs:

• Prototyperspective created the book on Dec 9 using images of Putin from Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Roman Kubanskiy (DR filed November 15) and images in Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Giovanna IV di Napoli by Bing Image Creator (DR filed December 6).
• Prototyperspective added an image of Sauron on Dec. 16, a day after Commons:Deletion requests/File:'Excuse me sir, where can I find the rings section?' – Fictional being placed into a contemporary realistic daily life setting.png was filed.
• Finally, though this one is not as strong a point as the others: On Dec. 13, the first Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Hyju was closed as delete. On Dec. 20, Prototyperspective added a bunch more of Hyju's images, and then on Dec. 27, those were all included in the second DR for Hyju's files. Ordinarily, this wouldn't be suspicious - after all, Prototyperspective put them in the book before they were listed for deletion - but the section they put them in is under the text "Especially useful if no other or only low-quality images are available for the concept", and the things they added were vampires, prehistoric people, and vintage comic book covers, of which there is ample art of already. Prototyperspective was also the only person advocating for keeping the first Hyju batch.

Worth noting that when the Giovanna IV images were deleted, Prototyperspective put the redlinks back in the book, calling it "unwarranted censorship deletions".

I think that all of this taken together paints a pretty clear picture of why the wikibook exists and how it's being misused. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I've voiced similar concerns. Nearly every image in that book is, or was at some point, the subject of a deletion discussion on Commons, and it's not because someone's been going through the book to pick images to nominate for deletion, and it certainly isn't just a weird coincidence either. COM:INUSE is meant to prevent the deletion of images which projects are legitimately using, not as a way to "game" deletion discussions on Commons. See also Commons talk:Project scope#Outdated (does not reflect current admin practices): policy amendment for in-scope exceptions. Omphalographer (talk) 04:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Nearly every image in that book is, or was at some point, the subject of a deletion discussion on Commons Very false.

I added images based on their relevance and quality so all of them should be high-quality for the described application. I wonder though why people complain about it here rather than replacing the image with a better one if there is one. In any case, current policy hasn't made clear that INUSE only applies to files that were INUSE before the DR but whether or not that is the case doesn't matter to my freedom to use images as I see fit. If you'd like to restrict this freedom then please add a note like Images that are currently subject of deletion discussions are not allowed to be used in any other Wikimedia project. If they are used there they should be replaced by other users and are not legitimately in use. That would be something to discuss at the policy page. I apologize if my edits to the wikibook I started are considered problematic. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

 Comment I share the Squirrel's concerns about misuse of Wikibooks, and overall advocacy of out-of-scope AI-generated images when they were told many times that such images are not welcome here. Yann (talk) 07:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

• It's not a "misuse of Wikibooks", you and e.g. Squirrel just don't consider the file-uses in it legitimate which is fine to people.
• Out-of-scope images made using AI software should be deleted.
• The deletion requests – which usually nominated large numbers of different files at once – and village pump discussions that I think you're referring to had some people arguing for usefulness and use-cases of AI software in the context of images as well as some against such; there is no policy that says that images made using this novel technology are generally not welcome here but it's certainly the impression I get which may or may not be a problem or a good thing for a good future of WMC. I don't indiscriminately explain specific usefulness cases for images in deletion requests but only those where I can see a realistic educational value (e.g. for few images of a long list of files nominated at once) and voted for deletion in many occasions, while Squirrel wrote here and here Due to both the copyright and ethical concerns, I am always in favor of deleting AI art, especially when we have any non-AI generated images that don't have those concerns.. Again, if you don't see this Wikibook's file-uses or uses of files during DRs as legitimate then users have clarified that ignoring them is fine.

Prototyperspective (talk) 11:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm uncomfortable with complaining about someone's advocacy in an actively discussed issue. I could appreciate him being less voluminous, but he's discussing on a live discussion.--Prosfilaes (talk) 17:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

•  Comment Just to add another point to this complaint, @Prototyperspective: 's endless personal attacks and stonewalling based on fallacious arguments regarding policy really needs to stop. As they are both beyond disruptive at this point. Especially their constant need to treat anyone who disagrees with them like the person just hates AI and/or is acting indiscriminately. One example being their comments in Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:AI-generated science fiction, as well as in Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:AI-generated cyberpunk, but there are many others.

Either way, the constant, personal badgering and tirades about it really to stop. It's certainly not a collaborative way to participate in discussions. Same goes for the walls of text with multiple bullet points. @Prototyperspective: please just make your point next time, leave out the personal comments when you do it, and move on. Everyone knows what your opinion about AI artwork being hosted on Commons is at this point. We don't need it screamed in our faces every there's a DR for AI artwork. Also, stop bludgeoning discussions by responding to everyone who disagrees with you. --Adamant1 (talk) 16:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

I never made a personal attack. I think you made several against me if you refer to ad hominem. I would see a point about replying too often if it was coming from somebody else but you are just as much replying as me and most of my comments are replies to you, often to correct misinterpretations or twisting of what I said earlier. I noted that I only ever saw you vote delete and the quote above is quite explicit in admitting this even when not considering your comments in regards to AI images in general. I was trying to reduce my volume but I think I'm allowed to make a few arguments when some of my images are to be deleted without even a deletion rationale explanation and unaddressed explicit clear usefulness cases being clarified.

Again, I'm trying to and already did reduce my volume but you are posting as much if not more than me in regards to this subject. Prototyperspective (talk) 16:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

I never made a personal attack "The user seems to be fed up with AI images", "The user is opposed to AI images", "that it can be useful is enough of a reason to not ban it based on your unsubstantiated assumptions and quite clear anti AI bias", just to name a few of the many examples out there. I'm not the subject of the deletion requests and I've also repeatedly told you that I'm bias toward AI or artwork. Yet your still repeating that I am and in discussions where my personal opinions about it aren't even relevant. So yes you are and have been personally attacking me.

Also, in DRs like Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:AI-generated science fiction you made a main point along with adding 9 bullet points that added absolutely nothing to the discussion outside of just being a needless wall of text. Just write a paragraph or two with your main points and leave it at that. There's no need to flood the DR with multiple bullet points. It's just extra noise that comes off like bad faithed Gish galloping. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

This is not a personal attack but may be relevant to the DR so I mentioned it to provide context. It can be relevant that you only ever voted for delete on the many AI-related DRs you participated in and object to AI images on WMC in general. Can be not is. In contrast, you made several ad hominems against me such as Your probably one of those people who think Bitcoin is going to replace fiat currency any second now to aren't you? Lmao. to name just one. With comments like these I hope it's a bit clear how my volume is hard to make smaller since usually you keep making another reply to which at least a brief response seems needed. No, I've not personally attacked you. All of these point made there pertain to the subject and elaborate specific ways specific images can be useful see COM:EDUSE. You nominate a very large number of images at once so I made a brief text for each. I also asked for why a user who voted delete considers the file "OOS" (out of scope) which I thought was due if more than headcounts matter in DRs. Prototyperspective (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

It would be relevant to the DR if I had a history of spurious, bias DRs related to AI artwork. I don't though and I've told you multiple times I'm not bias towards AI artwork. So your claims about my position in regards to it is patently false and intentionally so. It's not "providing context" or relevant to a DR to go off about how the nominator has a position that they've told you multiple times they don't have. All your doing is poisoning the well for other voters by mischaracterizing my position when you know I'm not bias towards AI or AI generated images. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:34, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Telling is different than actively demonstrating; your indiscriminate mass-nominations appear to show a strong bias in how you treat AI works even if you deny you have one or even think you don’t have one. You also have a tendency to make condescending remarks towards people you disagree with and bludgeon discussions at least as much as Prototyperspective, as seen in Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:AI-generated cyberpunk. Personally I think you both need to dial back here and stop using deletion as a sparring ground on this obviously controversial topic. Dronebogus (talk) 01:46, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

There's plenty of other DRs besides the one you linked to where people vote delete or say something I disagree with and I don't respond to them. So your claim that I have a tendency to make condescending remarks towards people I disagree with or bludgeon discussions at least as much as Prototyperspective is patently false. I have zero problem responding to people in a DR if they are just going to attack me or otherwise make false comments about the deletion request though. And that's all I was doing. Whereas both you and have made plenty of condescending remarks and bludgeoned discussions when no one even said anything about or to either one of you. At least when I respond it's to address something the person said about me and I'm asking for them to clarify things. Whereas your just whining about how everyone is out to get AI or some dumb nonsense like that. Regardless, if you don't want me to respond so much, cool. Stop attacking me by lying about how I'm bias towards AI artwork when I've told both of you multiple times now that's not my position and I wouldn't need to. Otherwise, I'm going to correct you. --Adamant1 (talk) 03:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

•  Comment Prototyperspective seems a great fan of AI images and thinks many of them are within project scope when many other users think they are not. That much is no problem; different perspective and opinions are why we have discussions. However on deletion requests Prototyperspective sometimes seems to have trouble assuming good faith from others who disagree with them, accusing them of being "obsessed" or "biased". Repeatedly on DR when I have voted that something is Out Of Scope, they challenge me to explain what I mean by that (the first time I did so) and argue that my stating something is OOS does not make it so (technically correct, but that's why we have more than one person looking at things to make determinations). I think I should note that Prototyperspective *does* sometimes vote for deletion of AI images, especially when they are bad quality. Now to the initial topic: Yes, adding images listed for deletion to somewhere on Wikimedia so they would be "in use" and thus thwarting the deletion request does seem to me to very much fit the definition of Gaming the system. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 17:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

  I get constant bad faith allegations and even ad hominems against me of which I quote d an example above, yet I'm being accused of mentioning in a brief way that people who call for deletion of AI images a) only ever voted delete in AI-related DRs b) quite explicitly back calls to have all AI images not be allowed into WMC regardless whether or not they would be in scope otherwise c) quite explicitly admit this in these discussions and with quotes like Due to both the copyright and ethical concerns, I am always in favor of deleting AI art, especially when we have any non-AI generated images that don't have those concerns. How would this not be a bias in regards to whether an AI image is within scope or not? It doesn't mean your vote isn't relevant, just that you seem to be against all current AI images to begin with. At the same time there are attempts to silence me. I always ever made points that are arguments that pertain to the subject manner and are clear relevant specific arguments; for example I don't write OOS fantasy illustration as a full explanation for why something is outside scope since that is not an explanation. If you still think I was making a comment there that was not in good faith please also link to it so the context and full text can be read. I noticed how people nominated like 100 AI images at once and have done so for a while now, "obsessed" may not be the right word and I apologize if I had chosen wrong wording of what I meant to briefly communicate. In contrast to the people complaining about me here – I very often vote, always with explantory rationales – for the deletion for AI images. Again, I can use images that are in DRs elsewhere and that is not gaming the system and there is no policy whatsoever that would restrict my freedom to use them elsewhere; as said you can just ignore these uses since you don't find them legitimate; people have already said that ignoring these uses would be fine since these uses are not legitimate. It's quite astonishing how much people complain about when they're doing arguably worse things like just calling things fan art when they clearly aren't or starting mass nominations of 50 or so images at once dismissing arguments in advance right from the start as handwaving or accusing me of various ad hominem things. I do see how I should change for example my volume while nothing of that sort has ever come from Infrogmation or Squirrel who wrote the above quote. Basically every AI-related DR has at least to gather at least 3 keep votes since that is roughly the number of delete votes they always, no matter how educationally valuable and high-quality, they seem to get, often without any discernible explanation. Prototyperspective (talk) 21:49, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

  Would it be correct to say that you consider putting AI images up for deletion into use as an appropriate tactic to counter what you consider a bias against AI images on Commons? -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 20:46, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

  No, and I never said that. Also I just removed a further image from the Wikibook.

  Relevant concerning the word bias that I used: Bias against AI art can enhance perceptions of human creativity […] We find that people devalue art labeled as AI-made across a variety of dimensions, even when they report it is indistinguishable from human-made art, and even when they believe it was produced collaboratively with a human. Prototyperspective (talk) 21:22, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

  Certainly there's findings from research papers that people in general devalue artwork if it's labeled as made by AI. But you weren't citing those papers in deletion requests when you brought up bias and the comments where you said it were aimed at specific users. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:05, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

  (Just an FYI to the last comment I left, which I reverted. Apparently I misread the conversation between Prototyperspective and the user who removed the image. My apologies to @Prototyperspective: ). --Adamant1 (talk) 05:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Readthispage

Readthispage (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

Readthispage appears to be a w:WP:NOTHERE issue/single purpose account. All uploads have been 1) crops of Commons images to focus more closely on women's breasts (e.g., to File:Lana Rhoades 2-2017 cleavage (cropped).jpg cropped from this; File:Tanya Tate at AVN Adult Entertainment Expo 2016 (25037741523) (cropped).jpg cropped from this; etc.); 2) fan art/COM:NOTHOST AI porn; and 3) screenshots of pornstar's breasts. Their en.wiki contribs provide additional context: they have been exclusively to replace images in pornstar bios with ones that more prominently feature their breasts (e.g., [4][5][6]--all of those reverted) and to create a userpage sandbox article on "Bouncing breasts". Discussion seems needed. Эlcobbola _talk 13:19, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I think your instinct is correct. I'd say indef them and zap their uploads. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 14:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

+1. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 14:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Blocked, and Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Readthispage for the last images. Yann (talk) 08:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Rostyslav Zhvarnytskyi

Rostyslav Zhvarnytskyi (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

Could someone explain to the user why the video game Yandere Simulator isn't in the public domain? He seems to have convinced himself that it is for some reason Trade (talk) 15:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

 Comment Last warning sent. Yann (talk) 08:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Ssr

Ssr (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions) rude and aggressive comments, threats: [7] [8] Komarof (talk) 07:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

It looks like their goal is to get blocked for personal attacks at every project they have ever edited. May be we should help them here. Ymblanter (talk) 08:38, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

No matter how big contributions are? Just to destroy people you dislike using Wikimedia tools? (Ymblanter is the sole author of a series of unsuccesful diffamation campaigns against me in EWP)

Well, when you make success, what is the advantage for Wikimedia? Destroyance of a many-years contributor and you personal pleasure of that? And you are an admin with this approach? --ssr (talk)

You are lying again. No surprise.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:18, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Kill me --ssr (talk) 09:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Did anyone ask you to interfere here? Are you having knowledge of permission problems the topic is about? --ssr (talk) 09:38, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

The point of the topic is your incivility, which you also demonstrate right here. Ymblanter (talk) 10:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

The point of everything here are deletion requests based on copyright claims. My behaviour means nothing. --ssr (talk) 10:48, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ssr: Aye, there's the rub.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 11:01, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Blocked for 3 days. --A.Savin 13:50, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

I have had to decline their unblock request, and left a friendly note. I hope they don't make this into an indefinite block but instead learn. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 17:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Pamphili

Pamphili (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user This user is a puppet of e.g. User:Livioandronico2013, User:Fiat 500e, User:Labicanense, User:Rione I Monti and User:DellaGherardesca. Same camera and same kind of spamming their own photos all over Wikipedia. After being blocked user reappears with a new account. Disembodied Soul (talk) 20:40, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Эlcobbola _talk 21:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

User:MCGAMER YOUTUBE

• MCGAMER YOUTUBE (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user

Uploads non-free stuff (in good faith) Kelly The Angel (talk) 10:39, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Due to large number of copyvios 3 months block (second block). Taivo (talk) 14:50, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Liepnieks

• Liepnieks (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user

This user is uploading many copyright vioations. Each one of their files that I checked is easily found on the web and falsely claimed as own work. I don't have the time to check all their uplaods, so perhaps other users can have a look or maybe an administrator can delete based on COM:PCP. Marbletan (talk) 13:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

@Marbletan: I tagged the remaining files for you.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 13:57, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Marbletan (talk) 13:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

@Marbletan: You're welcome. You forgot to ping me.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 14:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done. The user did not stop after warning and I blocked him for a week. Taivo (talk) 14:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Copyvio and sock

Tyih (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user and சூர்யநாராயணன் (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user seems same user due to same copyvio and edit patterns that I observed in ta.wiki. I think all of their updates should delete and you may do check user. I just report here and admin can take action. ~AntanO4task (talk) 15:27, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

@~AntanO4task: I notified the latter user, too. This appears to be lock evasion by Sweetindian (Sweetindian (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user).   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 17:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Both blocked. Yann (talk) 19:57, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

User Zeus2107 and copyvio

Zeus2107 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user uploads so many copyvio images including unauthorized recreation of logo and flags. Admin advice & warning to the user is much appropriate. ~AntanO4task (talk) 16:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

@~AntanO4task: I notified the user of this discussion on their user talk page, as you should have done per the above.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 17:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Blocked for a week, and Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Zeus2107‎. Yann (talk) 20:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

copyright violation

none of these files are own work all taken from twitter or Instagram

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Amirshakiba1380 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Milad.jenabi.1994

[[User:Modern Sciences|MSes]] (talk) 00:03, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Erreur de localisation d’un site photographié

Bonjour, ma requête concerne le manoir de Cléhunault, qui se situe sur la commune de Saint-Martin des prés, et une photo mise sur Wikipedia le localise à Lanrivain. D’autre part la photo est déja ancienne, et le manoir est mieux mis en valeur actuellement. La photo et surtout la publication ont été faites sans autorisation des propriétaires (mon mari et moi). Les informations qui accompagnent cette photo sont fausses. Ce manoir est inscrit ISMH et sa chapelle est classée. Nous sommes ouverts à la visite gratuitement, et j’informe les visiteurs que les photos ne sont pas autorisées. L’erreur, publiée, quant à la localisation, nous fait du tort. je vous avais déjà contacté à ce sujet et vous n’avez malheureusement rien fait. Il est triste de voir que vous puissiez publier de telles erreurs, sans aucun contrôle préalable, et sans en tenir compte lorsque l’on vous informe des erreurs grossières de vos publications. Je peux contribuer à vos publications, mais à condition que ce qui est faux soit retiré. Ma contribution peut être des photos récentes, et surtout l’historique de ce manoir, les dates, horaires et conditions d’ouverture aux visites, ainsi qu’éventuellement des événements particuliers. LOUVEARGENT (talk) 08:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Bonjour,

Comme vous ne le mentionnez pas, je suppose que ce sont les photos de Category:Manoir de Cléhunault. J'ai corrigé les articles dans Wikipédia, j'ai renommé les photos, et corrigé leur description. L'erreur vient apparemment de la confusion entre la commune de Lanrivain et un hameau du même nom dans la commune de Saint-Martin-des-Prés. Vous pouvez ajouter des informations dans fr:Saint-Martin-des-Prés. Vous êtes bienvenus pour importer vos propres photos. N'hésitez pas à me demander si vous avez des questions. Cordialement, Yann (talk) 11:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Sintela

Sintela (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions) has uploaded multiple files without permission; a couple I've nominated for speedy deletion as copyright violation, and the rest I've nominated for semi-speedy deletion as "no permission." I dream of horses (talk) 17:49, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Last warning sent, obvious copyvios deleted. Yann (talk) 10:19, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Suyash Kumar Singh

User:Suyash Kumar Singh (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions) is a single purpose account on Commons and enwiki whose only edits have been promoting themselves on their user page and uploading personal images. Despite their user pages being speedy deleted several times, they continue to recreate it. I've now blocked them on enwiki as NOTHERE. Could a Commons admin take appropriate action here please? Voice of Clam 07:27, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Indeed, indef. Yann (talk) 10:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

DarkWorld305

• User: DarkWorld305 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user
• Reasons for reporting: Continuing to make malformed deletion requests despite repeated instructions; not responding to concerns on talk page in this edit after Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems/Archive 107#DarkWorld305.

  — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 11:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Flower1004

Flower1004 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

Persistently uploading copyrighted image and falsely claiming at "own work" and also falsely licensing as under CC. Also re-uploading same image that was flagged for CSD to circumvent. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 18:44, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done All their uploads were done at the same time. Gave them a final warning. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 08:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

IlMarcheseDelGrillo

IlMarcheseDelGrillo (talk · contributions · Statistics) is, per metadata of uploaded pictures and their crosswiki activity, a sockpuppet of Livioandronico2013. Not it was created a day after Pamphili (talk · contributions · Statistics) was created. Block and tag advised. A09 (talk) 23:07, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Blocked. Yann (talk) 12:20, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

神手阿丁

神手阿丁 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user sockpuppet of Nipponese Dog Calvero, blocked on enwiki. DefenderTienMinh07 (talk) 23:58, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Taivo (talk) 09:55, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

User:BHO8964

• User:BHO8964 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

For some reason they insists on requesting the renaming of this file, despite having been denied three times and reverted one. RodRabelo7 (talk) 05:55, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done. I blocked the user indefinitely and deleted multiple empty categories. Taivo (talk) 10:02, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

DiGeozalyan

DiGeozalyan (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user continues uploading clear copyvios after the last warning from Marcus Cyron last December. Günther Frager (talk) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done. One week block. Copyvio is deleted. Taivo (talk) 14:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

LDH8964

LDH8964 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

See § User:BHO8964 above and [9], clear sockpuppetry going on here. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - useless contributions} 12:04, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Who is the master account? Yann (talk) 12:19, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@Yann: I'd assume it's User:BHO8964. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - useless contributions} 15:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Actually it is from Category:Sockpuppets of Nipponese Dog Calvero. Yann (talk) 15:33, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Gasforth-2021

Gasforth-2021 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user Upload copyvio multiple image. メイド理世 (talk) 03:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

@メイド理世: I notified the user of this discussion on their user talk page, as you should have done per the above. I also gave them a final warning.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 03:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

ok メイド理世 (talk) 03:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done. One week block. I deleted speedily one file and nominated one for regular deletion as likely copyvio. Taivo (talk) 11:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

@Taivo: Thanks!   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 11:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

7-cm Mr Chung from Hong Kong

7-cm Mr Chung from Hong Kong (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions) Highly disruptive en:WP:SPA created only to vandalize. Nominated several featured picture to deletion with only to disrupt Commons. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 04:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

This user should be indef. blocked and all their edits should be reverted. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 04:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Due to its nature, the DR should also be deleted. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 04:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

This is also clearly a sock and an attack account. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 04:56, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

•  Endorse. RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  •  Done Done. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 05:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

    The Squirrel Conspiracy, that account exposed someone’s IP (I suppose A1Cafel’s, based on their block log) in more than 50 pages. Shouldn’t it be suppressed? RodRabelo7 (talk) 06:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

    •  Done The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Utkarsh555

Utkarsh555 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

Uploads non-free files Kelly The Angel (talk) 11:50, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kelly The Angel: hasn't yet been given a proper warning, and you didn't notify them you were posting about them on this noticeboard. You might start there, which does not require action by an admin. - Jmabel ! talk 20:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

The phrase "Wikimedia Commons takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing" (bold in original) appeared thirteen times (!!!) on Utkarsh555's talk page before they blanked it and has subsequently been added three additional times. How is that improper ("hasn't yet been given a proper warning") warning? Эlcobbola _talk 20:50, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

This is also a sock of Utkarsh Pandey (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions) Yann (talk) 21:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

ahh, they are apparently great at blanking. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 21:42, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

+ and en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Utkarsh Pandey/Archive. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 21:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

I reblocked this account indef. for socking. They already have a collection on Commons. Yann (talk) 23:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Raid5

Raid5 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

The user “Raid5” is constantly “pinging” (spamming) my account with alerts. (See a screenshot.)

Of the 25 (twenty-five) last alerts, 25 are caused by “Raid5”. This kind of attention seeking is unpleasant and compulsive, and most of those are merely repetitive nitpicking. The user seems to me to think this as a game or as a social media, like Instagram, where you “follow” certain users and comment on everything they do. Unfortunartely that feels like persecution or cyberbullying (cf. Griefing).

If I am indeed thoroughly so evil and wretch’d, why is it up to this one user, Raid5, to keep calling it?

This user is very quick to comment and modify anything I do here. For instance, when I uploaded the screenshot, it took less than 2 hours for the user to comment it on my talk page in a foreign language (in a condescending tone) and to make a pointless revision, merely in order to seek attention.

I would guess the quality of my contributions here is neither better nor worse than that of most other users in the community. However, that user has been targeting me for a long period of time, as it feels to me, with the intention to drive away an experienced user.

Another problem have been vexatious complaints about missing “essential information” (one example) and unfounded deletion requests (one example).

There are other uploaders who care less about templates and typography and source information than I do, but I seem to be the only one who is constantly scolded and alerted by “Raid5.”

Yet another issue are removals of relevant categories, like this one and this one, which I do not understand.

Please prevent this user from alerting me constantly (especially in edit summaries — it’s rather pointless). Most of those demands are irrelevant or matters of taste, or more general issues which many contributors could equally be blamed for, and which could well be attended to tacitly. I have noted the user’s demands, but constant harrassment does not recommend them. --Mlang.Finn (talk) 01:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Mlang.Finn: Hi, and welcome. In Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo, I see a "Muted users" section. You might want to use that. Help is at mw:Help:Notifications#mute.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 02:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: I doubt muting would meet the need here. I don't think Mlang.Finn would be happier to simply go without hearing about it as someone removed categories from their uploads that they considered correct, and nominated their uploads for deletion on arguable grounds. - Jmabel ! talk 02:45, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Mlang.Finn: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=840025890&oldid=839970674&title=File%3ADelegation-for-Kekkonen-1973.jpg and https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AETYK-Finland-delegation-1975.jpg&diff=840026320&oldid=839966990 (the examples of removal of categories) are arguably correct, unless you are saying that Urho Kekkonen is not a Finnish politician. I take it you wanted the category there because of other politicians in the photo. This particular issue of COM:OVERCAT is controversial. I'd probably have (in Raid5's place) left the category there or (in yours) restored it, and in either case would have added a comment that it refers to other politicians in the photo.

I've looked a bit at the other diffs and images here; I can't imagine a major sanction here. To be honest, the single most egregious thing I see here is one of your edit summaries ([10] beginning "CAN YOU READ?" (caps in original). I can understand why you may have been frustrated, but this doesn't look like a one-sided issue to me.

I'm aware I could give this more study, but I'm hoping to hear from an admin who has been more involved over time.

If you'd both agree to an interaction ban (stay away from each other's uploads) I'd be fine with that. - Jmabel ! talk 02:42, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

David S. Soriano

• David S. Soriano (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user

User was blocked twice last year for uploading out of scope personal artwork (initially hundreds which were deleted at Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:AI images created by David S. Soriano).

They have uploaded more out of scope personal artwork since that second block expired in August. Belbury (talk) 10:21, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Blocked. Yann (talk) 10:33, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Yann: Can previous verdicts on their digital/AI work being out of scope be applied to delete their uploads here, or should I raise another DR to discuss them? None of the images are in use. Belbury (talk) 10:43, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

They should be deleted, but a regular DR may be best anyway. Yann (talk) 10:52, 23 January 2024 (UTC)